Patrick's Budget: Can State Afford It Right Now?
The governor's budget proposal for fiscal 2014 would raise $1.9 billion in new revenues through a combination of tax increases and eliminating some tax breaks. Is the state's economy ready for this?
After years of treading water in the state budget, Gov. Deval Patrick has put forth an ambitious $34.8 billion proposal for the coming fiscal year that would make significant investments in education and transportation by raising $1.9 billion in revenue, through a combination of tax increases and eliminating some tax breaks.
The question: Is the state's economy ready for this?
To raise that funding, Patrick's proposal would increase the income tax from 5.25 percent to 6.25 percent, while doubling personal exemptions. It'd also lower the sales tax from 6.25 percent to 4.5 percent. Several tax breaks for both personal income and businesses would be eliminated.
The gas tax would be indexed to inflation, ensuring gradual increases in what people pay at the pump; the sales tax exemption for soda and candy would be eliminated; and the cigarette tax would be increased by $1 per pack.
Patrick would also tap an additional $400 million from the state's rainy day fund.
Increased funding would go first to education. Early Education and Care would see a 26.4 percent increase over the current budget; K-12 education funding would get a $226.2 million bump; and there'd be an additional $197 million next year for the state's higher education system, which has faced even more than that in cuts over the past decade.
The other big investment would go towards transportation—an initial $253.6 million increase in fiscal 2014 and additional spending increases over the next two fiscal years of $600 million and $700 million respectively once revenue reforms are fully phased in. Regarding the transportation investment to improve public transportation and roads, the governor said, "This is what the people of the commonwealth have asked for."
Unrestricted general government aid—usually the biggest piece of local aid funding, outside of Chapter 70 education funding—would also receive its first increase in five years, of $31 million.
Looming over Patrick's bold plan is the lingering effect of the Great Recession. While education and transportation may need an injection of funding, can Massachusetts afford it right now?
The liberal think tank Massachusetts Budget and Policy Center said the governor's proposals make the tax system "less regressive and more fair."
On Patrick's proposed investments, the think tank said "education plays an important role in helping grow state economies" and "there is an increasingly strong connection between improving the skills of the state workforce and creating a high-wage economy."
Regarding transportation, MassBudget said that "a growing body of research makes the case for the economic development benefits of investing in Massachusetts's transportation system."
Meanwhile, Jim Stergios, executive director of conservative think tank Pioneer Institute, told WBUR that because of various exemptions the income tax is actually a slightly progressive tax system and that property taxes are "incredibly regressive," which the governor ran on in 2006.
"If you want to fix something, fix the property tax, which was an original promise," Stergios said. "I think he actually has merit to do something like that."
On Patrick's proposed investments, Stergios said that Patrick's education proposals do not put any "real reforms" on the table associated with the spending increases and "that's not going to get us a different kind of outcome."
Regarding transportation, Stergios said the Pioneer Institute has supported modest gas tax increases in the past and recognized the "good work" Patrick has done in delivering infrastructure improvements in recent years.
"That said, we would not come even close to what the governor's saying. We're talking about something on the order of $2.5, $2.7 billion over a 10-year period," he said. "We believe there are still further reforms that MBTA needs to have, needs to do before we hand over $3.1 billion to them. They're not exactly the best run organization in the state ... We want both reform and we will support increasing some revenues."
What do you think? Can the state afford Patrick's proposal right now? Are there further reforms both in education and transportation that can be undertaken, or after years of treading water, is now the time to make a big investment and drive the Bay State forward?
Tell us what you think in the comments.
Mark
12:01 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
I wouldn't trust these thieves with another dime. Murray, Finneran, DiMasi, Mclaughlin, Wilkerson, Mazilli, Turner, Gallucio crooks & creeps one and all.
$93M to Illegal Aliens in 2011 alone for healthcare. Parole Board, Housing Authority, Drug Lab scandal, NECC meningitis deaths, etc etc......... What proof is there that these CongressCrooks on Beacon Hill have earned the right to more of our tax dollars. None!
Tyler Jozefowicz
5:55 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Mark: back up that $93 million figure you just stated, as to illegal aliens. Thanks
Nate
6:01 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Mark, Tyler must live in a bubble or be one of the big D contributors.Look into the $93 million, it's true. So are all the other complete failures Patrick's administration has been in charge of.
Kevin MacDonald
1:35 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I would give a thumbs up to Governor Patrick for pushing for flagmen in places to replace detail officers. I would like to give him two thumbs up when he expands it and allows for more flagmen to replace officers in a greater range of areas. GO DEVAL !!!
Mark
8:54 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
By Gary J. Remal
Boston Herald
The 58-year-old Andover Republican, JIm Lyons Jr, pried the shocking report from state officials. It showed that nearly 55,000 illegal immigrants received more than $93 million in MassHealth benefits for emergency medical services last year.
MassHealth is a third of the State Budget.
“This issue deserves further investigation. Simply put, the administration has failed to set up robust program integrity features, many of which were part of the health-care reform law passed five years ago,” Archambault said.
http://www.jimlyons.org/pres/
Mark
9:06 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Besides fraud, waste and abuse at many state agencies(EBT, Medicare, Housing), Gov Patrick and the state Democrats continue to give Millions of our tax dollars to Illegal Aliens for health care, education, housing and food stamps.
This doesn't include the Millions of our tax dollars spent on police, fire, emt's, lawyers, the courts and prison system.
Instead of spending our tax dollars on our own children, seniors and veterans, Democrat Pols give it away to Illegals.
Instead of giving our tax dollars to our mentally challenged children, autistic, handicap and those truly in need our state Democrats funnel our tax dollars to Illegals.
These pols on Beacon Hill are thieves raping the taxpayers pocketbook all so they can stay in power and pad their own coffers.
Omri Schwarz
1:07 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
"
The 58-year-old Andover Republican, JIm Lyons Jr, pried the shocking report from state officials. It showed that nearly 55,000 illegal immigrants received more than $93 million in MassHealth benefits for emergency medical services last year. "
What's so shocking about that? You want the ER staff to start asking about visa status? We have illegal aliens in MA. SOmetimes they get sick, and when they do, they go to the ER. So it goes.
Ron
3:53 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
With the 55,000 illegals who received the $93 million (I'd bet that number is conservative compared to the actual number, just a guess) in MassHealth benefits for emergency medical services last year, not to mention the tens of millions in payroll tax that was not collected, uninsured automobiles, etc. What's in it for them to become legal?
A better Drivers license?
Better Auto insurance
More Payroll tax
Healthcare costs
Tuition for higher education
If there is a legitimate threat to deport then why sign up to stay and pay more?
There is no way to look back. Deval's recently organized Department of Transitional Assistance has lost track of 47,087 households on welfare and most likely can't tell you of those households who is legal or who isn't. or
Nice job with taxpayers money.
mike t
12:07 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Where are the proposed spending cuts? Why should we have to give more money we don't have when the state is not tightening their belts and cutting spending?
Rob
1:02 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Devil Patrick should be thrown in jail.
AHM
1:23 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Let me see, my pay has gone down in the last 4 years and they want to tax me more. Of course I can afford it. If I eliminate our food budget I think I can. Better yet, just go on disability. And people put this clown in twice. I can see where he stands a good chance of being president.
R Gagnon
4:11 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Smart money says mini-me will take a run at the white house in 2016. But he'll be up against equally inept liars like Clinton, Kerry, Biden et al.
Tyler Jozefowicz
5:52 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
AHM: since you made your income an issue, what do you make and what do you do for a living? You do understand that the state income tax is a progressive tax. the lower your income , the lower your tax. what do you have for health insurance? Educational background? how many degrees? Your pay has gone down? Income tax in the State has not changed in the last 10 years . rates are still the same. Explain your statement about pay going down, lest you be classified as a typical whinner with bogus substance.
Chris Caesar
9:38 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
No name-calling or swears please.
Gene Pinkham
3:33 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
I heard that Deval wants to add Dental to Mass Health. Well at least he doesn't want to put newly released convicts on MediCaid like Cuomo. Yet.....
Arthur DeLuca
9:41 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Dental was a part of Mass Health 3 or 4 years ago. It still is to a limited degree (cleanings, X-rays & exams). I've been told this is where the State goes to cut Mass Health costs, then they restore it later. Sounds like they're on a restore kick. But a better way to go would, I agree, would be to stop the spending on illegal immigrants. Maybe the answer for us poor folk (of all income ranges) to surviving is to renounce our US citizenship and become illegal immigrants ourselves? I'm kidding, of course, but as far as the money going to the illegals, they're just a pass-thru conduit for the money "given" to them. It actually goes to the doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, supermarkets, landlords etc who ultimately receive the money the illegals spend it on. Be assured that Mitt Romney put in the healthcare reforms to help these "instutions", not to help the people. And Patrick keeps these things in force. Before WWI there was NO Fed Income Tax (not sure when State income tax began). We need to go back to those days. The Government didn't do much for us, but we didn't expect thenm to since we weren't giving them our money.
NoTyme4BS
6:20 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
I always said this guy was as crooked as they come.
BD
7:18 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Let see. I earn less than when Deval took office, I pay more in taxes, but Deval wants to have even more, so he can support support his crooked former speakers of the house (convicted), pay tuition for illegals (that will attract them), and on and on.
Enough is enough.
Diana
7:28 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
You know, I'm not thrilled about the taxes either, but If you earn less than when Deval Patrick took office, that's on you, assuming you're not a state employee. Or even if you are, really. Figure out a way to make more money. You seem to expect other people to.
Nate
7:41 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Freezes on raises and major increases in health costs are not the employees fault.
Harriet
8:35 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
you're right nate, they are the fault of the greedy job creators. One paying less, and the other charging more.
Nate
7:28 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
When people blindly vote for you because of a D next to their names this is what happens.
Harriet
8:02 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
when people complain that people vote for someone with a D next to their name, it means they are too ignorant to fathom what is wrong with their party, and need to blame someone else for their deficiencies.
Nate
8:24 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
The D is not my party and I don't need to explain why. It speaks for itself loudly and clearly. Seems having an opinion makes people ignorant to you. Just like lacking basic writing skills make you look ignorant to the rest of us.
Harriet
8:33 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
you are ignorant because you assume that everyone that votes D is doing so blindly, yet you are the one that votes against your best interest.
Arthur DeLuca
9:46 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Hey, an R signed the Heahcare Bill into law and put in hefty increases on State fees (like the ones in the court system), not a D. But D or R doesn't matter - they BOTH raise taxes/fees. The only difference is where they raise them and who/what they spend this raised money on. It will continue from all parties until we can manage to go back to the days BEFORE taxes.
Nate
8:43 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
My best interest is not being taxed to death. Supporting a family and having a place for our children to have the same opportunities we had is.
Harriet
8:48 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
then why do you support a party that is trying it's hardest to redistribute the middle class wealth to the ultra rich?
Rob
8:53 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Jon, letting someone keep their own money isn't redistributing it from someone else, you moron.
Harriet
9:30 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
when the rich job creators take more, employ fewer, and pay lower wages, while offshoring the money they take, and not paying taxes on it, it is a redistribution. Yet some people blindly do the heavy lifting for them, and have the audacity to call others morons!
Rob
6:05 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Jon - nothing is preventing you from working for yourself. If you don't like your job, you can always leave and get another. If you don't have the skills to get another job, then you're lucky that someone woud hire you.
Robert L Homeyer
9:30 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
I do not want to pay more in taxes. I want to pay less. The vast majority of this money would go to Boston so why not just raise their taxes. Once again, the government will take money from the suburbs to pay for inner city stuff.
Harriet
9:38 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
these transportation and education improvements aren't inner city things. Improving the transportation network of the whole state improves life for everyone. It's not just fixing the T, it about fixing everything. That is unless you prefer to see society crumble around us.
golf
11:11 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Before they add more taxes on us why don’t they clean up their own house?
Cut every state agency 5% Cut ½ the management staff, consolidate
Agencies and take all vehicles away from every department (other than emergency
agencies). We have to live our lives with a budget why not them. Tell them no more.
Make them clean up their budgets. OK OK OK I can dream can’t I. Well I’ll just tell
My wife that we’ll walked to work once a week to pay our added taxes, which will make Patrick happy. I got a better idea we’ll all go on wefare Laugh everyone so you don't cry
Jim Stratton
6:31 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I would agree with "clean up their own house."
I think that an elected official should have no more "benefits" than the average of those he/she is elected to serve. E.g., if the average income of a Mass resident is $31,262 per year (I just made up that number), then that's Governor Patrick's salary. If the typical resident has to pay for his/her own transportation, so does everyone in government. Similarly for other typical benefits - health care, vacation/sick time, staff...if the majority of residents don't get a pension, neither does anyone elected to represent them.
Arthur DeLuca
9:54 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
You've just shown one of the major flaws of this and every tax increase plan. You drive less because gas costs more. You buy less gas. The revenues come in less than expected (because the increase projection was based on the old consumption rate) so we're still in the hole next year when it's announced that MORE increases are needed to make up for the "lost revenue". We all have only so much to spend - the answer is not to try to shake us down for more money (thank you AMAZON.com for VOLUNTARILY AGREEING to charge Mass sales tax beginning this November). The answer to the article's question is - "No we can't afford it right now!"
EL
8:01 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Right on, Jim. If the elected officials always had to have the same benefits, including medical, all our lives would improve. Our employees should not get better than we do. Sit down and think. We are now taxed on nearly anything you can think of. Permits and licenses are also a tax. Try to think of what we are not taxed on. Enough is enough. Also, we should have lists reported in our papers on just where the money is going. A lot is just waste!
Harriet
9:01 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
your right, we should hire some people to compile these lists into a form suitable for publication
aaaa
8:04 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
We need to pay more for gas but we should increase the price by removing government subsidies, not increasing taxes.
Amy
8:44 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Taxachusetts... A great place to live and work? Not for me. Can't wait to move...
paul surette
2:15 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
California is on my horizon :)
EL
8:51 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Why do we NEED to pay more for gas?
Paul Rotondi
9:09 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Get use to it, the same Beacon Hill mentality is comming to Stoneham spend, spend and then spend some more. Your town taxes are heading up with your state taxes. Normal 2/ 1/2%, The debt exclusion comes on board, expect an increase in the Trash fee, and then the Community perservation act.
EL
9:15 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Paul, all the towns are the same. They don't mind taxing. The whole country is out of control. The average family is having a tough time. We need some great leader to straighten it all out and I don't see that happening.
Paul Rotondi
10:19 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
El. You are right, but we have to start now. This years town election for Selectman is critical, you have two incumbents who have managed the finaces in very tough times and manged to protect the taxpayers. You have two members of the Beacon Hill gang running against them whose history is spending as much as they can get from you and are pushing a plan to position themselves to spend every cent of the new growth money about come in and bleed the taxpayers more. Just look at the campaign rerports due in March and see who is financing them. Your choice.
Bob Ferrari
9:55 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I don't know why everyone is complaining about taxes going up, what did you expect? You voted for them.
Jerry
11:01 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Exactly
paul surette
2:16 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Amen, Bob
Sam
10:26 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Where is Liz Warren when you need her. She will help with us getting Hammered. She promised.
Harriet
10:37 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
you do realize that Senator Warren works at the federal level, and this is a state issue. So she isn't involved. understand how it works now? no, probably not.
Jerry
11:27 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Doesn't matter which level she's on she has no interest in helping working people no matter what she said.
Harriet
11:48 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
and you know this how?
Jerry
12:11 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Because I have a brain. Lying about being a minority, making money off people's foreclosed homes and her and her husband's huge salaries from Harvard all the while complaining about tuition costs show what she is.
Harriet
1:28 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
the fact that you parrot these reich wing talking points proves otherwise.. I guess in your world, you have to be a republican to earn a decent living, and it's bad when a democrat does it.
Jerry
8:59 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I am not a Republican and will never be a Deomcrat. Speak for yourself minion. Wipe the Kool Aid off your chin before bedtime.
Dan
11:38 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
If we could some how eliminate sex change operations for murderers that might save a buck!!!These thieves Never get enough!!!
Harriet
11:48 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
why did ronald reagan appoint this extremist activist conservative judge. why is he costing us so much money.
Jerry
12:12 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Keep blaming everyone else like a good little D.
Harriet
1:38 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
now your saying it my fault that this republican judge forced the state to provide a criminal with a sex change?
Melissa Jones
12:06 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Let us eliminate "in-state tuition" to illegals -- ideally they should be deported, but the child king won't allow that.
Let us have those that are on public assistance and able to work, work on our roads, public parks, etc. You get something - - you do something for the state seems fair.
Let us eliminate the overbloated pensions and benefits for public employees and make them comparable to those of everyone else.
bill
12:08 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
We seem to add these additional taxes in good times to add programs and help people. Then when the economy goes bad, no none wants to make any cuts. So we end up a budget shortfall. If the tax rates are based on percentages, then every year the Government gets more money from the cost of items going up, to people's pay going up, to property values going up. Governments need to learn how to budget with these yearly increases. Kind of like a family does with it's budget?
EL
1:26 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
What's government for? There's a lot of things we pay for in our taxes that government shouldn't even be involved in. I'm voting for Melissa. She's got the right ideas!!!
EL
1:32 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Budget??? Never happen, Bill. Not as long as we sit around and let them get away with it. And....I didn't vote for any of these people. Least of all Warren. Lets watch and see what she does for the common people. I don't think she even knew who they were until she was running for office.
john nowosacki
2:15 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Before he comes up with an 'Exit Tax', the 'makers' will be leaving the state, thus voting with our feet. Those who will be left will be the ones that can't afford to leave. I won't apologize like Phil the golfer did. This state will be among the "death spiral states" that are continuing to offer more unaffordable services and ever higher taxes on an ever dwindling number of those willing to stay and be fleeced. It is unsustainable. We need to lower tax RATES on businesses and individuals in order to attract them to our state, thus increasing REVENUE collected by the state to fund these program. It has worked every time it is tried, whether by Democrats like JFK or Republicans like Reagan. The only thing that causes deficits is government spending more than it takes in. Revenue to the government doubled during the 80's when Reagan and a Democrat controlled Congress cut tax RATES, the problem was Congress increased spending at an even faster pace than the new revenue was coming in. We have a spending problem, not a taxing problem.
Arthur DeLuca
12:37 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Explain something to me, if you LOWER the business tax rates to attract more businesses, then all you get are a bunch of businesses paying LESS than they did before - who makes up for that lost revernue? The working people that's who. Do NOT EVER cut taxes for businesses!!!
Bob
4:06 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Arthur, If you lower the corp tax rate and you get more corps in Massachusetts, they hire more Massachusetts residence and attract others from all over the country. Those people then pay income taxes and sales taxes and buy houses etc.
When you increase corp taxes, they lay off or cut wages or move out of the state all together which means less income taxes, sales taxes etc. This is what is meant by trickle down economics.
BTW - There isn't a company in Massachusetts that pays the Massachusetts corp income tax. They all pass it on to their customers as a cost of doing business. When they start having to pay it, they fold or move!
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
6:29 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Will the last PhD to leave Massachusetts please turn out the lights.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
david mokal
8:41 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Rev Dont look at me I dont got one of those thingys
john nowosacki
7:46 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Arthur,
When you LOWER tax RATES on businesses, not only do you atract more businesses, you also allow existing businesses to grow, which means the new businesses and the existing businesses need to hire more people, who then pay more taxes, and the state gets more revenue, which is what you want. The businesses do not pay less than they did before, they (and their additional employees) pay MORE into the system because they are making more money and expanding. This is more "low information voter syndrome".
Look back into history at JFK's economic speaches in the early 60's. He wouldn't be allowed in the Democrat party today. He understood, just as Arther Laffer, Ronald Reagan, and others, that when tax rates that are already too high go even higher, you wind up with less revenue because you kill growth and give people incentive to hide their money in tax havens like tax free municipal bonds, etc.
We need pro-growth tax policy based on economic theory, not mindless, emotional talk of 'fairness'.
Arthur DeLuca
4:30 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
John, you just proved my point with your reply "hire more people, who then pay more taxes, and the state gets more revenue, which is what you want" When business pays less taxes, people pay more taxes. This isn't what we the people want. We want business to pay more taxes. The corporations/rich move more & more of their money offshore and otherwise into tax shelters every year, regardless of whether their tax rates go up or down.
In the early 1900's (which is when the US Govt. began the federal income tax) the US got its money from tariffs on imports & exports. The tariff was high enough so that imports did NOT sell for less than US made goods; US companies could compete. In fact the Foreign companies found it cheaper to open factories in the US, hire US CITIZENS to make their goods & sell them here. It actually brought jobs INTO the Country. Now the jobs are going OUT of the country; not because of high taxes, but because of low (or no) import tariffs. (remember NAFTA?) US businesses didn't like the tariff arrangement so they lobbied Congress to remove some of those tariffs and create a federal income tax, shifting much of the burden of financing the US off of the companies and onto the backs of the people. If we go back to the old ways, the jobs will come back into the US. Of course with no fed tax, there'd be no entitlement programs, but people would have more money. Families would take care of their own instead of looking to the Govt to do it.
AHM
7:27 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013
How about all the extra money he wants to collect now by allowing illegals to get a valid license now. That is sure to bring in a lot of revenue. Might as well get it out of them now. Then again maybe they will get theirs for free on us.
SomervilleGirl
10:38 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013
This is what is really happening --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMf1uFKgF48
Dan D.
11:11 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Ol' Bernie is an expert at creating class warfare to deflect our attention from the harm that out of control government causes to all. He is a big gummint socialist kind of guy who personally benefits from expansion of government power.
Kevin Gove
12:35 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
It is amazing how many small minded people dominate the patch with their vitriol. Deport, eliminate, makers, takers.... You see how well those words did in the last election.
Even though you are given certain rights in this great nation, it doesn't make you right no matter how many times you spew your divisive rhetoric, and attack anyone with a sense of social decency reducing the discussion to name calling.
Sam
12:51 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
"Social Decency" you do the same thing. In other words if you don't agree with what you refer to as social decency you are saying that those folks are indecent.
Classic
Kevin Gove
2:06 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Sam, you don't know anything about me. And I know very little about you other than the snapshots of your personality that come through in your posts. So you don't have any idea whether I do the same thing. In my view, solutions that include deporting every illegal immigrant because they are what ills our society, labeling people as socialists, morons, etc. is not decent or even productive for debate. And time again, I see those that espouse views that even talk about centrist views are attacked, labeled, with little added productively to the discussion.
Sam
2:15 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
You have that part right. I do not know you and you certainly do not know me. But when you refer to your views as social decency, then anyone who disagrees in indecent. From know on why don't you refer to your cause as social reconstruction or something like that. That way your cause is not so high and mighty and others is not lowly.
Kevin Gove
2:27 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
My cause with my original post is to try and move to a discussion that doesn't have to resort to name calling, labeling and shouting down voices and opinions that may not be shared. I would not call that high and mighty, in my opinion that is decent.
Ron
1:06 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
I don't have a problem helping out or paying a little more for a good product but not until Deval shows that he can manage it. To date he hasn't shown that he has the ability to lead or manage. Too many examples of the elected officials in the State and Town who are sticking it to the middle/working class. It doesn't affect the 1% nearly as much as the elected officials will make us think and many on Federal and State assistance believe they deserve more.
The EBT system is a joke, again, no problem helping out but I don't think someone on assistance should be able to use taxpayer money for tattoo's.
Rather than continuing to "Hammer" the middle/working class with more taxes, show some fiscal responsibility, transparency and cut out the waste.
Elaine
1:26 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
I could not agree more. EBT cards can be used for anything - - it is just silly; if someone is on public assistance the funds need to go to food, housing, medical bills etc., not manicures or whatever else the individual wants.
Public pensions are way out of line with what most middle class working people get and should be eliminated.
In-state tuition for illegals. Kids from other part of the nation surely deserve that more than do illegals.
No, Deval's budget is completely out of line.
Arthur DeLuca
12:49 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
EBT cards are not meant to be spent on otehr than Food etc. Since they are cards, what they are spent on can be tracked. What is needed, I think is better enforcement. Make it clear beyond doubt to businesses what they can & cannot be spent on. Businesses (in the case of automated checkout stations) should be required to program the ACS to not accept the card for improper purchases. Any business caught cheating wshould have their business licence revoked. Yes, I know that would put innocent working employees out of a job. Point being, if the employees KNOW they will lose their jobs if anyone cheats, then tTHEY will police the store and make sure no one cheats. I think it's worth a try.
Ron
10:52 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
How about an EBT transaction fee. I agree that the transactions can be tracked but who is going to enforce it? Another "State Agency" that will be understaffed and mismanaged?
It might be easier determined what products are eligable for purchase within the EBT program and anything that is purchased outside of the program (tattoo's, manicure's, pedicure's, 32gb iPhone 5) would have a transaction fee associated to the purchase.
I think it would be easier for the EBT Program to manage the "necessary" products available within the system than try to have someone (Another Agency) police the purchases and enforce local business' to irritate customers.
Remember, Obama's claim in 2008 was transparancy in Government. Mini-Me and Obama think the same way so there should be no problems with a transparent EBT program. Let everyone know what is in the program up front.
Dave Miskinis
3:03 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
The dems are simply working to grow and solidify their voter base. Plain and simple. Can't everyone see that the group who benefits the most (as a % of disposable spending) from a lower tax rate are those who are dependent on and "scamming" social services/welfare/etc and those hurt the most by an income tax increase are those who work for a living and are trying to get ahead. By the way, I am not referring to people who truly need help via social services. There are plenty of them who truly deserve assistance. I am also strongly against any part of an income tax increase to be used for state-funded pensions. I'm tired of hearing about 40-somethings who have "retired" and are collecting state pensions. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Arthur DeLuca
12:54 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
The sales tax should be abolished altogether. ALL lower to middle income class people pay a greater percentage of their income on sales tax than the rich do because they spend a greater percent of their income than the rich do. Buying, Bonds, savings CDs, Stocks etc are not taxable sales. This is what the rich spend much of their money on. Drop the sales tax completely and raise the income tax instead; then you'll get so very much more of the rich money.
Dave Miskinis
3:04 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
I meant to say a lower sales tax rate........
john nowosacki
7:56 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Arthur,
If you really want to be 'fair' by dropping the sales tax, then you have to be 'fair' and have a FLAT tax, where everyone at every income level pays the same percentage of income tax. You could exempt the first $X dollars of everyone's income from any tax (I think a number like $25K has been floated), and then you take 17% of every dollar made above that by EVERYONE, and eliminate all deductions. Would you be willing to stand on your principle of fairness and vote for a flat tax?
What is 'fair' about some people having to pay 39.6% of what they make while 47% of americans now pay no income tax at all?
Arthur DeLuca
4:46 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Yeah, A flat income tax isn't bad, but the myth that the rich pay a higher tax rate than the poor, is just that - a myth. The higher % for the rich is only for the portion of their earnings in excess of a certain amount. On the first $XXX dollars both the rich & poor pay the same. But having a flat tax, exempting the first $25K or so (and eliminating all deductions) would work too. Be warned though, it would put H&R Block and lots of CPA's out of work; to say nothing of a large number of IRS agents (not needed because tax returns would be so much easier to check). And I question that figure about 47% of Americans paying no income tax at all. Are children or teens part of that 47%? Are retirees part of that figure? If someone is living off their savings, then they already paid their taxes when they earned the money all those years ago. I'm currently living on a pension of $285 a month, so sure I'd go for your is $25K exempt and a flat tax on the rest. Even when I become eligible to get my SSI retirement checks, I'll still be under $25K.
john nowosacki
11:12 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Transparency? Yeah, right. just look at Benghazi. This bunch will say anything and usually do the opposite. Obama called "Bush's deficit" of $180B "unpatriotic", and then racked up more than any other president in history (and also violated the law by partnering with the Senate to not pass a budget for the last 4 years).
If the congressional Republicans had one ounce of brains, they could easily thwart the president and his leftist allies' attempt to frighten older Americans about not receiving their Social Security checks and thwart their attempt to frighten other Americans by saying "we are not a deadbeat nation" and suggesting the possibility of default if the debt ceiling is not raised. In 2012, monthly federal tax revenue was about $200 billion. Monthly Social Security expenditures were about $65 billion per month, and the monthly interest payment on our $16 trillion national debt was about $30 billion. The House could simply enact a bill prioritizing how federal tax revenues will be spent. It could mandate that Social Security recipients and interest payments on the national debt be the first priorities and then send the measure to the Senate and the president for concurrence.
Ron
3:26 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
John, I agree. There are several cases where the elected officials have been caught talking out of both sides of their mouths and they are as transparent as mud. There is too much money to be had for them.
And speaking of Benghazi, did anyone find it interesting that the Press Conference President, and rightly so addressed the Nation the day after the tragedy in Newtown; but three weeks after Benghazi the Obama Administration couldn’t muster the courage to get in front of the Nation, two months before the election to let people know what happened? In fact, Obama himself went on to defend the story and comments from his Administration before they “knew” the facts. I recall a few years back in another famous Press Conference the Dear Leader made the claim that the Cambridge Police “acted stupidly” before knowing the facts
Wind Dummy 25
12:24 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Not only is the Flat Tax a much fairer simpler way to go, I might even consider a national sales tax or a VAT and get a hold of some of that underground economy that would support two Mass governments... http://www.alternet.org/story/152446/inside_the_trillion-dollar_underground_economy_keeping_many_americans_%28barely%29_afloat_in_desperate_times.
Why is the state involved in pensions anyway? I don't even want them running highways, bus train lines etc. Buy your own retirement like everyone else. Of course this is not about fairness or inventiveness.
Heaping more taxes on the average working slob, what's left of us, is incredibly regressive and frustrating to any sane person.The more you give these incompetents the more excuses you'll get from them. There running out of money streams and people to blame. You'll never see growth or anything positive with this plan. 200% debt to growth? Financial disaster. The fish stinks from the head down.
Pathetic lazy old 60's government. At it's worse it just supports the obvious direction.
Just give us everything you make, and we'll give you what you need.
Mark
5:28 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Gov's plan on reducing spending. Release cop killers. Word of advice to Police Unions. Democrats are not your friends.
SPRINGFIELD — A man convicted of second-degree murder in the slayings of two Springfield police officers in 1985 is getting out of prison.
The state Parole Board in a decision released Tuesday granted parole to 50-year-old Juan Ortiz. Ortiz will spend 18 months at a low-security facility before being freed. Upon release, he will be allowed to move to Chicago, where he has family.
Wind Dummy 25
12:55 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013
It's gonna be a long hot fiscally stagnate summer, once again...
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
1:20 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013
Don't tell me there is a limit to other people's money.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
Wind Dummy 25
12:57 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
$$$$$$tate of Taxachusetts $$$$$$trikes again, and the chase is on. The $$$tate that leads the league in inventive ways to hide earned income. Bringing all new ways to usurp the word, Commonwealth?
"When the people find they can vote themselves money,
that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin
Mark
1:05 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
I wouldn't trust Deval or the Dems with another dime........ They haven't demonstrated they can operate a Kool - Aid stand never mind Billions of our money.
The state’s embattled welfare chief was forced to step down yesterday in the wake of a shocking internal report that found that a staggering 47,000 families receiving taxpayer-funded benefits are unaccounted for — and nearly $30 million in food stamp money went to recipients who were not eligible.
The shocking report, found that the Department of Transitional Assistance has lost track of 47,087 households on welfare — or one out of 10 of the total 478,000 who received DTA mailings.
AHM
4:43 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
The shocking report? I think most of us already knew that. And more. Disability is way overabused as well. I don't have to look far to see both abused and sadly my own family. Regardless we all know Deval's character. I think once this gets started it is going to be even bigger. I say employ people who check on all of this, create jobs. The money saved will be more than owrth it.
Wind Dummy 25
6:45 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
I saw that report. I was very surprised that this was actually reported.
Which makes me even more suspicious.
Another misplaced over paid hack in charge like that bad driver in the safety office.